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Please prove Dr. Looi is a liar on Lynas wastes are not the wastes

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LYNAS MUST REMOVE ALL WASTE FROM MALAYSIA, SAY 4 CABINET MINISTERS.

Comment:

It does not make any sense to say that the waste must be exported… BECAUSE THERE IS NO WASTE !

HOW DO YOU EXPECT LYNAS TO EXPORT “NOTHING” FROM THE COUNTRY?

IT SOUNDS SILLY TO DEMAND THAT A RESPECTABLE INTERNATIONAL COMPANY (JUST TO MASSAGE THE INFLATED EGO OF THE ANTI-LYNAS IGNORAMUS), SHOULD EXPORT “NOTHING”.

AND I WONDER WHO IN THIS WORLD WOULD LIKE TO IMPORT OUR “NOTHING”.

A “waste” is by definition something that is unwanted and needs to be removed as a rubbish.

The residue from the Lynas operation is not unwanted for it can be easily converted into the 3 types of useful, profitable gypsum products.

The operation of the plant will result in the generation of three major residue streams, namely the

1. WLP .. Water Leach Purification Residue (WLP) from the cracking and separation process,

2. FGD .. the Flue Gas Desulphurisation Residue (FGD) from the waste gas treatment system (scrubber) and the

3. NUF .. Neutralisation Underflow Solids from the wastewater treatment process (NUF).

ORE FOR LYNAS PLANT ~ 1,600 ppm (parts per million)

TWO MOST VOLUMINOUS LYNAS “WASTE” = 12 ppm

3rd RESIDUE STREAM = 1,500 ppm of Thorium

AVERAGE MALAYSIAN SOIL = 20 ppm OF THORIUM

The first two are classified as non-radioactive as its radioactivity is only half that of Malaysian soil and is much much less radioactive than the SAND THAT YOUR CHILDREN PLAY WITH in our beaches.

Lynas will recycle them as synthetic gypsum for plaster board, magnesium rich synthetic gypsum as fertilizer and synthetic aggregate as clinker for road and other construction projects.

Gypsum is nothing more than just hydrated Calcium Sulphate (CaSO4.2(H2O) and comes probably from the neutralization of SO2 and Sulphuric acid vapour by our own Limestone (CaCO3) or Calcium Oxide in the scrubber.

The 3 types of Gypsum products are:

1. Iron Phospho Gypsum from the WLP with a very low NORM and radioactivity and after dilution according to international standard, can be used as clinker for road and in the construction industry.

2. Synthetic Gypsum with a radioactivity only 1/2 of Malaysian Soil.

3. Magnesium Rich Gypsum also with a radioactivity only 1/2 of Malaysian Soil and is a valuable fertilizer.

SO THE MAJOR PART OF THE RECYCLED RESIDUE PRODUCT ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF THE CALCIUM, SULPHATE AND WATER WHICH WERE BORN AND BRED IN MALAYSIA FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS.

THE MAJOR PART OF THE SO-CALLED RECYCLED “WASTE” IS ACTUALLY NATIVE TO MALAYSIA AND IN FACT HAS MORE RIGHT TO REMAIN IN MALAYSIA THAN THE ANTI-LYNAS NINCOMPOOPS !

The global market for synthetic gypsum is approximately 150 million tonnes per annum.

At the current rates of production, supplies of synthetic gypsum co-products are beginning to outstrip natural gypsum, thus providing valuable new alternative materials and preserving the planet’s natural resources.

If we insist that these valuable by-products are not allowed to be used locally and must be exported even though they are much less radioactive than our soil, then our sanity and intelligence will be questionable AND MAKE OURSELVES THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.

THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL BUYER OF THESE PRODUCTS WILL BE COUNTRIES LIKE SINGAPORE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE “kiasu” BUT HAS AN INTACT BRAIN, WHILE PEOPLE IN MALAYSIA ARE NOT “KIASU” BUT HAS NO GUTS AND “KIASI”.

IT IS RATHER IRONIC THAT WE REFUSED TO SELL TO SINGAPORE SAND WHICH IS A CARCINOGEN AND HAS TWICE THE RADIOACTIVITY OF THE GYPSUM PRODUCTS and yet we want to send the gypsum products to them cheap!

DON’T YOU THINK THAT WE LOOK STUPID !

Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK) MRCP(London)
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Dr Toxic-Remover says:

如果你认为稀土废料是与你无关
如果你相信我国的专家说稀土废料是无毒的
那请您看看澳大利亚关于Lynas稀土废料处理的环境评估报告

众所周知,Lynas已经开始运作,但是到今天仍然没有一套完善的稀土废料处理机制。我们可以从澳大利亚为Lynas稀土废料处理的环境评估报告,部分内容得知Lynas的运作方式会对环境带来伤害,甚至危害居民的健康。

Lynas对外宣称稀土废料没有危险,你们相信吗?Lynas对外宣称稀土废料可以制成副产品,但为何Lynas到现在仍然没有任何报告和数据向外发表。

让我们看看这份环评,我们可以得知Lynas根本不适合运作。以下是该环评中的3大建议:

Recommendation 1.

The matter of long-term disposal of the radioactive waste from the LAMP must be resolved immediately. When the entire decay chain radioactivity of the waste is accounted for specific radiation levels are as high as 61 Bq/g. This clearly places the waste in the Low Level Waste (LLW) category for radioactive waste requiring isolation for hundreds of years. Even if only the radioactivity of the parent radionuclides, thorium and uranium, are considered then the level of 6.2 Bq/g places the waste firmly in the LLW category according to best practice regulations. The environmental and human health risk assessment of this radiation exposure is clearly inadequate and the disposal methods very poor in an inappropriate environment. Under these circumstances it would appear that environmental radioactive contamination and human exposure is unavoidable.

~ This proposal would not be approved in Australia and the Malaysian government should revoke the temporary operating licence on this basis.(这项目不会在澳大利亚被容许,以这为基础马来西亚政府必须取消稀土厂的临时运作执照)~

Recommendation 2.

It is clear that no licence should be issued for the LAMP to operate until all of the issues related to the long term management of LAMP waste and construction inadequacies have been resolved. The issue of the pre-operating licence by the AELB on February 2, 2012 ignores this fundamental requirement and places the environment and public health at serious risk.

~ A proposal would not be approved in Australia without this information.(没有这些资料,在澳大利亚这项目将不会被批准)~

Recommendation 3.

The LAMP plant should not be permitted to operate until the ecological and public health impacts of effluent release to the Balok River have been modelled and assessed in detail. The modelling should include ecotoxicology assessment on endemic biota, food web assessment and a quantitative analysis of human health impacts from river users and consumers of aquatic biota.

~ The lack of data on these issues renders the Lynas EIA well below international standards and insufficient for granting of operational licences.(缺乏数据显示了Lynas的环境评估报告低于国际水平,不足以取得运作执照)~

进入以下的连接你可以阅读全份环境评估报告:
http://www.ntn.org.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Lynas-EIA-Assessment-Report-NTN-April-13-final.pdf

nkkhoo says:

This report was not prepared and authorized by Australian government. The private consulting company was hired by Green group to make a cartoon show.

You can buy 100 reports if you are willing to pay me or anyone to write anti-Lynas with fake science.

Besides, the author is not the subject expert in the field. His report was rebutted as rubbishes by Dr.Looi already. There are tons of fallacies in the report which I have rebutted in my blog.

IAEA report is only neutral and authoritative report everyone should refer to, others are junks with own hidden agenda.

Precious says:

关丹淹水,如果辐射外泄,你对得起东海岸人民吗?一个40多年来首次发生的大水患,充分显示出了政府没有在稀土厂建设之前做好应有的防御措施!
来了一场大水患,让人民看清楚,国阵所说的 “安心” 论,在这个时候不攻自破!

looihw88l says:

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The retention ponds are built above ground are lined with a thick outer wall of more than 3 meters high with large granite boulders. As such no flood will be able to breach the wall and wash out the residues.

Even if we have a super Tsunami that is capable of washing away all the residues, so what !

The WLP which is only very weakly radioactive with 6 Bq will just blend with the rest of the native Thorium-232 in the Malaysian soil in the Gebeng area and becomes part of the landscape.

Note: Malaysian soil has 20 ppm of Thorium-232 and a tiny piece of Malaysian Land 165 meters by 165 meters and 165 meters deep will

CONTAIN 98.8 TONNES OF THORIUM-232

AND THAT IS MORE THAN THE THORIUM-232 IN ALL THE LYNAS “WASTE” ACCUMULATED IN 1 YEAR.

As such the WLP will not significantly increase the concentration of the Thorium in the local soil.

Thorium-232 is strongly adsorbed to clay. There is no natural way it can get into the human body.

Even the plants and fruits do not contain any Thorium in places with high Thorium in soil.

The amount of Th-232 in the nomal human body is tiny (estimated to be only 30 micrograms per body i.e. to get 30 gm of Th-232, you need 1 million bodies!

NICK TSURIKOV, INTERNATIONAL RADIATION SAFETY SPECIALIST and co-author of the IAEA Safety Report on Radiation:

“THORIUM IN “WASTE” IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT POISON ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY.” Unquote.

Dr Looi

Simple Mind says:

网友们,在大是大非的课题上,我们必须冷静的理性分析“利与弊”!在稀土辐射废料问题上我们是没有商量的余地!理由是把辐射废料做成副产品是行不通的!

大家不要用普通常理来认为辐射元素参了其它物质就会不见了或是虚薄了,辐射物质本身是无法像其它物质那样简单的被冲淡!莱纳斯要在他们的自己国家做我没意见,但是要在我们的国家做,我一万个不可以!

要用我们还没出世的子孙来陪葬! 赔了老命我也要反对到底!!!

把辐射废料做成肥料:

1)世界各国的人们以经渐渐的转向有机食物,谁还要去买含有辐射危害的食物?

2)曾几何时我国的棕油被测试出含有重金属而被取消订单!

3)在中国有一些茶园用了辐射废料做成的肥料,结果茶叶被检测到辐射含量超标而全数退货!同时茶园也被永久污染了!

4)烟草在生长过程中吸收了土壤和肥料中的“钋210和铅210”辐射元素,结果全世界因为吸烟患上癌症而死亡的人数每年过百万人!单单美国预估今年就会有577,190人士!

5)为什么农民要买这种有辐射危害的肥料呢?这世界难道没有其它肥料可选择了吗?

把辐射废料用士敏土做成交叉人形防浪石锚:

1)把辐射废料做成防浪石锚放进海里也不是好办法!辐射的危害是上亿年计,士敏土能耐上亿年吗?当辐射泄漏污染海洋生物时,结果我们还是把辐射吃进肚子里!

2)加上这种用士敏土做成的交叉人形防浪石锚那么笨重,谁要千里迢迢来这里买呢?运输费比造价还高!他国不会自己做吗?

把辐射废料做成建筑才料:
1)用辐射物质建造成的房子你要买吗?

如果辐射废料能够做成安全的产品,那么为什么红泥山的辐射肥料二十年后还没解决呢?为什么还要建储藏室呢?为什么世界各国都把辐射废料丢进海里呢?为什么他们都不把辐射废料做成产品呢?难道只有马来西亚才有这敖人的技术吗???

以下就是世界各国把辐射废料丢进海里的名单和数量!!!

nkkhoo says:

4)烟草在生长过程中吸收了土壤和肥料中的“钋210和铅210”辐射元素,结果全世界因为吸烟患上癌症而死亡的人数每年过百万人!单单美国预估今年就会有577,190人士!

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May be vegetable, banana and plants in Bodohland are very smart for not absorbing any radioactive from the soil. 🙂

Another donkey talk. There are more than 1000 poisonous materials in the cigarette and radioactive materials are never considered risk in the cigarette. This is showing Green Perkasa will fabricate their “scientific fact” even the fact is lie.

为什么世界各国都把辐射废料丢进海里呢?

That was before the waste anti-dumping treaty was enforced. Dumping into sea is the cheapest solution for any company to do so.

boyle says:

稀土废料中的乌龙球与糊涂账
http://www.kwongwah.com.my/news/2012/12/15/88.html

如果莱纳斯违规,不将稀土废料运出国外,在《1984年核子能执照法令》第22项法权下,原子能执照局有权吊销或撤回莱纳斯临时运作执照,同时命令莱纳斯即刻停止操作。
归根究柢,把莱纳斯引狼入室的经手人是联邦政府,如果莱纳斯违规,把稀土废料永存大马,国阵政府对付莱纳斯把把刀皆不利,这条糊涂账应该算在谁的脖子上?

ariel says:

Rakyat are very concerned about their health and children’s safety are asking following conflicting reports between both Lynas and the BN government whether the TOL makes it compulsory for the wastes to be exported.

Based on which party the statements were addressed to, it is still not clear if Lynas is telling the truth or the entire BN Cabinet is lying.

nkkhoo says:

I can tell you that the original agreement not including MUST ship out wastes to overseas clause. IAEA report clearly stated Lynas has to build a permanent disposal facility to keep wastes in the country.

A responsible government must stick to its promise. If Lynas rare earth plant is not causing environment damage, BN government has to convince the rakyat, not forcing Lynas to eat dead cat.

If you think PR government can shut down the Lynas plant after taking over Putrajaya, I tell you it’s unlikely unless Malaysian new government want to confront with America, Japan and Europe like North Korea.

The Lynas plant is too important to America and Western world for the state of art weapon making. The plant is only alternative source of rare earth other than China for next five years.

looihw88l says:

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Dear Ariel,

The letter sent by the CEO and MG of Lynas, Malaysia Nicholas Curtis and Mashal Ahmad clearly states that “IF NECESSARY”…….

SINCE ALL THE WASTES WILL BE RECYCLED, IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SHIP THE “WASTE” OUT OF MALAYSIA.

AS SUCH IT IS RATHER OFFENSIVE TO ACCUSE THE LYNAS CEO OF LYING !

Letter dated: 23.02.12 by the CEO and MA of Lynas Malaysia to AELB.

Quote:

“Lynas Corporation Australia hereby give a full undertaking to, IF NECESSARY, remove from Malaysia all the waste generated Lynas Advanced Material in Gebeng, Kuantan during the Temporary Operating License period.” Unquote.

Lynas will recycle them as synthetic gypsum for plaster board, magnesium rich synthetic gypsum as a fertilizer and synthetic aggregate for the cement and road construction industries.

The global market for synthetic gypsum is approximately 150 million tonnes per annum.

The WLP can be diluted according to international standards and made into valuable clinker for road construction and other construction projects.

I repeat, THEREFORE IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE RECYCLED PROFITABLE “WASTE” FROM MALAYSIA and the recycling of the so called waste will create even more jobs … but hopefully not for the Anti-Lynas Nincompoops!

IF MALAYSIA WERE TO CLOSE DOWN LYNAS, LYNAS IS ENTITLED TO SUE FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF COMPENSATION.

THEY WILL MOST LIKELY SUE MALAYSIA IN AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND OR EVEN IN THE USA!

Dato’ Dr Looi

azrai says:

If Malaysia gomen kena sue by Lynas, we can count on our very own judiciary to win the case.Aussie has no authority over internal affair even msia gomen can bar entry to Aussie senator so no problem bar entry to Lynas international lawyers. Msia boleh !!!

jojo says:

当时在霹雳州红坭山的亚洲稀土厂没有毒,结果事实证明亚洲稀土厂确实危害当地人民的健康!
亚洲稀土厂的受害者黎群及已故谢国良就是一个最好的证明!

nkkhoo says:

Can you tell me what the radioactive materials inside the waste in Tanah Merah first?

There are many places in Georgetown and Butterworth are still buried with the same radioactive materials found in Tanah Merah in case you are ignorance.

The court had agreed with the Tanam Merah residents to shut off the plant after concrete scientific evidence was produced by the plaintiffs.

Why the court did not agree with the Green Perkasa in Lynas case? Because no scientific evidence to prove rare earth grade used by Lynas is harmful as Tanah Merah case.

Now Green Perkasa is trying to sabotage Kuantuan’s public order through illegal blockage of traffic.

WJS says:

Dear Dr. and NK Khoo,

Soon we can give up on trying to educate Green Perkasa and the PR anti-nuke spinners. Did you see the news, Green Perkasa is trying to start what’s essentially a riot in Kuantan, by asking people to blog the LAMP factory.. block all roads with their cars to turn Kuantan into a big car park.. etc. I guarantee that it will lead to clashes with other citizens within Kuantan and around the outskirts of Kuantan due to the immense inconvenience it can cause. If the kampung folks clash with Green Perkasa during this irresponsible riot, it will be played up as a racial issue.

The DAP and PR assemblymen and MPs are highly guilty for spreading ignorance and stirring up the issue just because it’s a BN initiative.

LGE is slamming LAMP as well although he’s proud of the semiconductor-based tech industries in Penang. But this short-sighted fool, doesn’t he realize that without LAMP, if China were to throttle their exports of rare earth materials in the next 2-3 years (estimated to be 2015) and force tech companies to set up factories in China if they want to have access to the materials, the very same companies that LGE is proud of in Penang will have to pack up and leave Penang!

Green Perkasa and the short-sighted PR fools don’t seem to have a consistent agenda. They want Malaysia to lead in terms of environmentalism and carbon footprint. Ok. So they’re asking to reduce coal and gas fired power plants. Fair enough. They’re asking for more renewable energy. But, they’re against the source that makes renewable energy possible. And then, there’s the most efficient and high energy density carbon-neutral power source in existence, nuclear power. They’re against that too. Looks like they don’t really have a clear idea what they’re trying to do. A little bit of education could have gone a long way, but these fools simply refuse to be educated and want to politicize everything.

nkkhoo says:

That why I call them terrorists.

Wang Tak and PR will be fully responsible if anyone gets kill in illegal blocking Kuantan traffic to standstill.

LGE is still behaving like opposition for last 4.7 year.

qtrina says:

Dr Looi is paid by Lynas?

nkkhoo says:

I need proof.

No question mark please

looihw88l says:

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Dear Qtrina,

I DO NOT WORK FOR LYNAS OR FOR ANYBODY AND IS NOT PAID BY ANYBODY AND DO NOT OWE ANYBODY ANYWHERE A LIVING AND NOBODY OWE ME A LIVING EITHER. I DO NOT OWN EVEN A SINGLE SHARE IN LYNAS.

I am not Pro or Anti Lynas or Pro or Anti Government and I have absolutely no links whatsoever with any political parties or NGO.

I AM JUST AN ORDINARY CITIZEN OF MALAYSIA WHO IS NAUSEATED BY ALL THE LIES THAT ARE BEING PROPAGATED AND RADIATED BY THESE ANTI-LYNAS THUGS.

I AM ALSO INFURIATED BY THE WAY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING ABOUT TRYING VERY HARD TO SMASH THE RICE BOWLS OF THE 1,750 DIRECT OR INDIRECT EMPLOYEES OF LYNAS.

THESE INNOCENT HARD WORKING PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING VERY HARD TO DO AN HONEST DAY WORK AND TO TRY THEIR BEST TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

Unscrupulous people have been using videos and pictures of patients with congenital abnormalities and other illnesses to instil fear into the population.

There is absolutely no scientific proof that these cases are caused by radiation.

THEY POST PICTURES OF POOR SUFFERING CHILDREN AND OTHERS WITH UNRELATED TUMOURS AND DISEASES …

THEY MILK THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS IN A SICK ATTEMPT TO LINK LYNAS TO THESE TERRIBLE ILLNESSES … THIS IS TRUELY IMMORAL AND DESPICABLE ! !

Only people with evil ulterior motives would use pictures and videos of these unfortunate patients whose disorders have nothing to do with radiation to score political points!

For over the last 2 years or so, I HAVE BEEN BRUTALLY, REPEATEDLY, INCESSANTLY AND CONTINUOUSLY BOMBARDED WITH BUCKETS OF FOUR LETTER WORDS, DRENCHED FROM HEAD TO TOES WITH CRUDE VULGARITIES AND OBSCENITIES, HARASSED WITH UNMENTIONABLE EXPLETIVES THAT WOULD MAKE EVEN A HARDEND HARD PORN ACTOR BLUSH AND EVEN THREATENED WITH PHYSICAL HARM ……..

ALL THESE FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNAS !

As the old Chinese saying goes, “If you irritate and inflame a piece of stone long enough, the piece of stone will explode!”.

I am a doctor but I am not a saintly old docile Buddhist Monk and AS OUR GOOD LORD SAYS “IF SOMEONE SLAP YOU ON ONE CHEEK, you should turn to the other cheek AND PUNCH THE !X!#$&! ON HIS !ZX!?!# FACE !

Warmest Regards and May The Good Lord Bless You All.

Dr Looi